Sunday, 22 March 2009

UPDATE on Events Going on THIS WEEK

We still haven't heard anything from anyone regarding our status in the negotiations. However we're still planing to go ahead with events over the coming week.

On Monday we'll be having a talk on Palestine Past and Present at 4:30pm, followed by a bit of a discussion and then a choice of films to watch (Occupation 101, Waltz With Bashir among others to choose from).

On Tuesday we're inviting students from across the country to talk on occupations held at their Universities, their successes and some of the problems they faced. Again this'll be at 4:30opm.

Then on Wednesday we're planning a rally on the concourse at 3pm to build support, followed by speakers from the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, Jews for Justice, and other speakers.

Solidarity with the People of Palestine

90 comments:

  1. Great stuff! Good work, see you there on Monday.

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  2. i support the israel on this one guys :)

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  3. Frieden!
    Freundschaft!
    Solidarit├Ąt!

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  4. to be honest, if i lived in israel and keep getting attacked by terrorists from a country like palenstine, i would want my country to roll the over too

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  5. 'terroists from a country like palestine'

    what does that mean exactly?

    Id take the opposite view. If i lived in israel id be ashamed of my governments actions. Absolutely inhumane!

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  6. it means palenstine is a state which harbours terorists and does not actively seek to stop these groups.

    and there are alot worse countrys in the world at present

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  7. What is terrorism?

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  8. another mans freedom fighter...?

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  9. Don't blow yourselves up, please.

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  10. Yes indeed...there are 'alot worse countrys in the world at present' than palestine.

    I would say the recent governments of ISrael would be candidates for the title. State terroism, appartheid, food blockades, black outs...

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  11. Anonymous naysayer: do you really think the answer to rockets from terroist groups such as hamas (democratically elected by the palestinian people if that counts for anything much in your opinion) on israel is to bomb one of the most densely populated areas of the world to a pulp? Cant see your logic. How would that serve to protect the people of Israel?

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  12. I wonder why palestinians voted in islamo-fascist terroist hamas? Because theyre all stupid? Because they are blood thirsty? Because they want to live under a taliban style regime?
    I would guess the act of voting hamas came out of desperation. Why else would they vote such a party? who created these conditions for hamas to prosper?

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  13. They are also only party able to and willing to resist israels army!

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  14. firstly i never said i supported israel, i said i can see why they choose to defend there country with such a force (to stop terrorists or 'democratically elected' groups as you call them bombing israeli citizens)
    secondly what goods occupying the hicks building going to do?

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  15. they were sponsored by Israel to crush the workers movement

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  16. I wasn't trying to be obtuse with my question. I genuinely want to understand what people consider terrorism to be?

    Presumably F16's and tanks destroying the an entire city and killing 1,400 people including 400 children is NOT terrorism?

    It is a fact that the Israeli state broke the original ceasefire when the bombed the beach in Gaza? It is a fact that the Israeli state have attacked and killed families. The Independent and The Guardian both covered the story of veterans coming clean on methods used. Snipers killing a mother and her two children? Soldiers entering houses killing the occupants and then destroying the houses.

    Is that not terrorism?

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  18. "what goods occupying the hicks building going to do?"

    It's going to win practical demands for Gazan's in the same way the 20 other occupations have done.

    Read the information, there's masses of it linked on this blog and the internet. Educate yourself about what's been happening before you ask such redundant questions

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  19. and is not the bombing of israeli children and women terrorism?
    as far as i can see both countrys are wrong! so why support either??

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  20. Read the information, there's masses of it linked on this blog and the internet. Educate yourself about what's been happening before you ask such redundant questions

    i could do mate, but im off to jack up on heroin now! bye!

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  21. how meny people died from the rockets that were built in the back gardens of desperate people that flow in any random direction compared to the constant shelling,bombing,blockading,bulldozing,
    assassinating of the an army backed by nato,us,eu and the uk testing new and illegal weapons

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  22. "and is not the bombing of israeli children and women terrorism?
    as far as i can see both countrys are wrong! so why support either??"

    There is a great many different political positions on Palestine within the occupation and indeed the general movement. I personally don't support national liberation and by extension I don't support Hamas or a 1 state OR two state solution. there are others in the occupation who support a 2 state and a 1 state solution.

    But that's not what this occupation is about. The fact of the matter is that people in Gaza are living under a military dictatorship that systematically enslaves, murders and terrorises some of the poorest people on the planet.

    This occupation seeks to provide practical help to Palestinian students who have had their universities raised to the ground. It is to do anything in our power to provide support and solidarity for people who have been brutalised by conflict and had their entire futures destroyed in front of them.

    I do not support the Israeli state, but I do not support Hamas either. I support the right of all people to live free from war and from brutality and I am apart of this occupation to help those people.

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  23. Cheers joe, someone in this whole occupation thing that actually makes sense, this view i can appreciate and support. But its the people who openly support palenstinian terrorism thats alienating alot of people from your actions.

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  24. Indeed so - one needs to draw a distinction between violence for its own sake, and violence in the context of a 40 year military occupation. Without endorsing either, I think there is a difference between the 2.

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  25. Still playing then kids?

    Hope you're having fun.

    Let us all know when you're finished and we'll have the Hicks building disinfected.

    Grow up and get out.

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  26. If you want to do something practical, get on a plane and go to Gaza and do some humanitarian work.

    The protest makes f*ck all difference.

    "Stop investing in the arms trade" - I'm sure Israel are capable of arming themselves independently of Sheffield University

    "Send computers" - they'll come in handy if people have some time in between rebuilding their schools, homes & infrastructure and finding something for themselves and their families to eat.

    Right cause, wrong action. If you truly care, do something sensible. If you don't, then stop acting like arses.

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  27. why is student politics about middle class students being pricks?

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  28. I notice both links to the anti-occupation petition have been deleted.

    Says it all I think.

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  29. "But that's not what this occupation is about. The fact of the matter is that people in Gaza are living under a military dictatorship that systematically enslaves, murders and terrorises some of the poorest people on the planet."

    Not to be glib, but are you referring to Israel, or to Hamas and Fatah here?

    I'm guessing Israel, but I imagine it can't be a barrel of laughs living under Hamas, even if they are "democratically elected." This is the group which uses houses and schools as missile launch sites, and then whores out the (undoubtedly harsh) annihilation of them by the IDF. I wonder how many Gazans are as supportive of Hamas as some of the occupiers seem to suggest they are, and how many are as easy to co-operate by allowing their homes to be used for yet another publicity stunt by Hamas.

    Surely you've got to ask why Hamas uses such ridiculous military tactics as "Aim for the nearest town with a rocket," or "Blow up a bus full of citizens." You don't see many attacks on genuine, bona fide military targets. It's hard to escape the conclusion that Hamas is at least easier than it should be with the notion of using its citizens as pawns in a political and emotional mind game with the outside world.

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  30. Getting into Gaza is not possible because the Israeli state is restricting access not just to individuals but also humanitarian assistance, so getting on a plane would seemingly be even more pointless, but thanks for the suggestion.

    The links were suspended because they were spam and to be honest, why would we want you publicise a petition that is a misrepresentation and totally against what we're doing. This blog isn't for your petition. Make you're own.

    Thirdly, this misplaced notion that occupations are not making a difference is just evidently not true! Read the evidence, look at what the university occupations have achieved. They ARE making a difference that's just a fact. This particular occupation has first of all brought together students an lecturers in unity to fight for something important, not to mention articulated the movements position to a wider audience, promoting the ideas and educating people about what's happening. More importantly we have brought the VC to the negotiating table and we are in a very good position to win our demands.

    In the context of this occupation and these demands what more can we be doing to "make a difference".

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  31. '.....makes f*ck all...... '

    its ok to swear on the internet, your mum's not going to read it cos she's to busy being fucked by me

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  32. There's "making a difference," i.e "Getting some of our demands through," and "making a difference," i.e "helping Palestinians." I think people's objection towards the occupation is that it's at best dubious what effect the demands, if met, would have on the people of Gaza. Again, this is amplified in RAG week when there's much more of a chance to get yourself known and ingratiated with the student body, as well as raising much needed cash for relief charities.

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  33. Well I'm happy you think you're all acting so righteously. Anecdotal my evidence may be, but most of the students I've talked to about your actions think you're completely unjustified in occupying a teaching space and moreover are less inclined to support your cause because of the interference you're causing. If you think such blackmail is a suitable way to go about student political activism, I'm saddened as it is a damning indictment of the what is (or was) a noble pursuit.

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  34. Well, that's a debate about tactics and clearly our tactic works so I have no "moral" issue with occupation or "black mail" if that's what you want to call it.

    Clearly the students you talk to are those people who share your world view i.e. your friends. We've been active on the concourse, raised over 400 signatures in petitions, plus support from UCU, many lecturers in a personal capacity, the President of the students union plus two sab officers. Talking to students that are beyond our social sphere, we have found that in actual fact support for the occupation has been wide and extensive and it grows bigger by the day.

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  35. 400 signatures out of a student population of around 25 000... well done! everyone supports you... haha

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  36. "Well, that's a debate about tactics and clearly our tactic works so I have no "moral" issue with occupation or "black mail" if that's what you want to call it."

    The efficacy of your tactics doesn't preclude them from being morally reprehensible. I choose to call it blackmail because that is exactly what it is. You are attempting to coerce the University in to a particular course of action by illegally occupying part of their property. I'd say that's a perfect example of blackmail myself. You're not relying on effective arguments to justify your cause, you're relying on causing enough inconvenience for the University to bow to your requests.

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  37. You can call it "morally reprehensible" if you like but your morality has absolutely no consequence of the actions of myself or the occupation. What you consider "moral" is, I'm afraid, utterly and completely irrelevant.

    Clearly you're not interested in engaging in the ideas or indeed at least attempting to understand them. You've taken a position that is actually totally removed from this process and decided to argue against what we're doing from a personal premise. What you consider to be immoral and what the rest of the world considers immoral is very different and your arbitrary classification of our actions is not a refutation of our ideas, our demands or how we have proceeded in achieving them.

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  38. "I notice both links to the anti-occupation petition have been deleted.
    Says it all I think."

    and

    "The links were suspended because they were spam and to be honest, why would we want you publicise a petition that is a misrepresentation and totally against what we're doing. This blog isn't for your petition. Make you're own."

    I thought the occupation was all for FREE SPEECH. Occupiers, if you have the right to protest in Hicks, we have the right to protest on your blog.

    People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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  39. Instead of Occupation 101 or Waltz With Bashir, can we watch Tron?

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  40. "I thought the occupation was all for FREE SPEECH."

    I cant speak for the occupiers since i am not one...but i think it has been made perfectly clear that the occupation is for the ten demands as outlined on this very blog. The occupation seems more than willing to accomodate differences of opinion/tactic from within its ranks. It also seems to be more than willing to debate those trolls who are on here 24/7 and hasnt deleted posts with opposing opinions.

    You can hardly cry your right to speech is being denied by your spamming links to another site/petition are being deleted. You have the right to create such a site/petition but it seems moroninc to expect the occupiers to accept it being advertised on here.

    That would be like the tories complaining their links being taken by on a labour party blog. Get a grip anonymous one!

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  41. "I thought the occupation was all for FREE SPEECH."

    Really? I was under the impression the occupation was for making practical gains for Gazan students and universities.

    "Occupiers, if you have the right to protest in Hicks, we have the right to protest on your blog."

    As you can see people have been protesting on this blog. The links to the ipetition were spam. Not protest.

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  42. Can the Young Tories/Conservative 'Future' please report back to base.

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  43. if i had lectures in the hicks building, i would want the tw*ts occupying it to partially refund my tuition fee!
    Here to learn, not for political activism.

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  44. Can the future Leninist please die?

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  45. all you will archive is a pathetic statement from the university, that will not make it out side of the university.

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  46. "if i had lectures in the hicks building, i would want the tw*ts occupying it to partially refund my tuition fee!"

    i...i....my...fee...me.....boohooo...

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  47. i...i....my...fee...me.....boohooo...


    you might be a genius because i have no idea what that means.

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  48. "if i had lectures in the hicks building, i would want the tw*ts occupying it to partially refund my tuition fee!
    Here to learn, not for political activism."

    You really dont know you were born do you! I feel very very very sorry for people like you. Just a shame you yourself couldnt give a sh*t about the downtrodden.

    Thank your lucky stars you were born in this country (not being bombed to sh*t by a neighbouring nuclear state) and born into a family who could afford to pay your tuition fees.

    Poor baby! Are people infringing on your right to remain oblivious to the world outside? The b@stards!

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  49. you might be a genius because i have no idea what that means.

    In your small silly statement you said 'i...i....my...fee' i added boohoo. Im crying for you.

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  50. "if i had lectures in the hicks building, i would want the tw*ts occupying it to partially refund my tuition fee!
    Here to learn, not for political activism."

    You really dont know you were born do you! I feel very very very sorry for people like you. Just a shame you yourself couldnt give a sh*t about the downtrodden.

    Thank your lucky stars you were born in this country (not being bombed to sh*t by a neighbouring nuclear state) and born into a family who could afford to pay your tuition fees.

    Poor baby! Are people infringing on your right to remain oblivious to the world outside? The b@stards!



    does that mean you will be paying or you won't??

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  51. Why are there people on here defending the occupation??
    shouldnt they be in the building or do they just enjoy living off the coat tails of others?

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  52. I think we all know about you're ten unrealistic and unreasonable demands. and I free speech is not one of them. my point was you blab on about free speech then moan when we point out how flawed you plan is. Wake up and realise you're getting nowhere. I have seen many of you supporters claim you're "achieving something" because you're riling the rest of us up. Where was this on the list of goals? I can't seem to find it.

    Demands, how old are you? Grow up.
    How much progress have you actually made? Don't spout nonsense about "well look at the success of occupations at other unis", or how you're "in talks". I'm talking Sheffield and solid achievments, one's to write home about. After a week, I see nothing.

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  53. Joe @ 18:25:

    You're right, my opposition to this occupation is based entirely on pragmatism and not the politics of the situation. This does not mean, however, that it is 'entirely removed from the process'. On the contrary it is absolutely dissociable from your 'process'. I'm already quite well-informed on the situation in the Middle East, I just personally feel it's nothing to do with me. You obviously feel otherwise, and that's fine until you start involving me in your own political games. I don't give a toss if you or anyone else feels this is selfish or petty, but my view is you come to university to learn. Make your own political points in a way that doesn't inconvenience me. If I camped out in your living room, and said I wouldn't move until you gave in to my demands, you wouldn't spend a second listening to what I wanted you'd just tell me to bugger off. Why should the University do any differently?

    Another question re: precedents. If you succeed this time, how long will it be till you're back? Or the supporters any other cause that fancies a go at extorting their political goals (perhaps much less justifiable than your own) out of the University?

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  54. ^^^ I think we all know about YOUR ten unrealistic and unreasonable demands... before any one decides to critise my spelling, in an attempt to down-play my argument

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  55. I'm already quite well-informed on the situation in the Middle East, I just personally feel it's nothing to do with me. You obviously feel otherwise, and that's fine until you start involving me in your own political games. I don't give a toss if you or anyone else feels this is selfish or petty, but my view is you come to university to learn.



    the most sensible thing said so far, well done. (no sarcasm intended - 100 % agree)

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  56. It's so sad what this has degenerated into

    Those who oppose the Palestine solidairty movement have sided with those who are outright unwilling to even consider the fact that Palestinians are dying in their thousands for no other reason than some archaic text alledges that land belongs to a particular religious group.

    The consequence of which is that the debate has been hijacked and no longer are we talking about the central issue: Palestine.

    What the occupiers are doing is getting a real debate going arodund this issue, and even better, actually doing something to help - this is no small achievement going against a huge zionist lobby that hegemonises the debate.

    Well done everyone!

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  57. but whats anything to do with israeli terrorising gaza got to do with the hicks building! That never hurt anyone! the hicks is the real victim here!

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  58. Re: 20:22 -

    You're absolutely right that I'm trying to depoliticise the issue, because what I oppose is your method. I am not 'unwilling to even consider the fact that Palestinians are dying in their thousands' as you put it. One of the things that confounds me is your ignorance of all the other humanitarian disasters confronting the world. More people die in Darfur every day that in Israel or Gaza, yet I see no one occupying the University to that end, and nor should they. My point is that I feel lecture theatres should not be closed off by the actions of one particular group to essentially blackmail the University. The central issue for me is not Palestine; it is the fact that you're making you're point by selfishly occupying University property. Indeed, if you read of the most of the posts on here in opposition, or indeed the opposition petition, you'll find that the vast majority are not opposed on political grounds, just pragmatics ones.

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  59. In case of Darfur, you can not start to speak about all this imperialism nonsense, therefore no one cares.

    Socialist society behaves/acts as if we were living at the beginning of XX century. Socialism does not work.

    Read some HISTORY books.

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  60. some of you dont even have the rigth to call your self anonymous.anonymous has done so much and its just a shame that your trying to hide behind the legion to peddle shit and be really bad trolls

    just remember everyone
    please do not feed the trolls

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  61. is it just the same person trying to argue with the occupation?!
    grow up and get a life,take up a hobby or something i dont know!?!??????!!? just stop crying on here and anhero

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  63. ". I'm already quite well-informed on the situation in the Middle East, I just personally feel it's nothing to do with me. You obviously feel otherwise, and that's fine until you start involving me in your own political games. I don't give a toss if you or anyone else feels this is selfish or petty, but my view is you come to university to learn. Make your own political points in a way that doesn't inconvenience me."

    I don't see how this protest has inconvenienced you in any way, or indeed anyone else for that matter. Even if you have had to go to another building how has that actually inconvenienced you? Do you have a particular affinity to the Hicks lecture theatres?

    And the fact is we have consistently told senior management that lecturers can use the lecture theatres but they have refused to allow it. They even told a lecturer who had brought his class down to the rooms that he had to go away.

    Further, they have stopped people using the labs, of which we're no where near. If you feel inconvenienced I suggest you contact Professor Burnett.

    Moreover, I'm not of the opinion that I should quietly whittle away with my political beliefs in case they happen to offend or irritate your sensibilities. Why would I do that? There's clearly little point in holding convictions if you're not going to do anything about it and unfortunately the nature of our society requires people to make a lot of fuss in order to be heard.

    It may be the case that you're never going to care about anything other than your own immediacies and that's your choice, but I'm under no obligation to accommodate that attitude. Especially due to the fact that it's my opinion that you should care.

    I'm not going to make apologies for your apathy.

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  64. Just a few questions...

    If the aim of the group is to promote democracy then do tactics which could be construed as extortion help this aim?

    Is it not arrogant and wholly undemocratic to expect the university (which you claim to want to be run democratically) to abide by the demands made by a small number of students? (the obvious rebuttal to this is that you represent a larger number of students, see the next question).

    Could the time and effort that you are spending on the occupation not be better employed by canvassing support in the form of a petition that could be presented to the University to show that a majority of students feel the same way as you? Or in raising money to accomplish some of your aims? (This surely would be more representative of the student body if donations were given by those who wanted to rather than by the university?)

    Does the presence of students studying at the university coming from Israel not mean that the university itself must remain impartial and not make a moral choice that may alienate Israeli students? As well as the fact that the impartiality of universities on moral issues is one of the factors that allows them to be a forum for free thought and discussion?

    Why does the Palestinian state deserve to be focused on above those states throughout the world to which all of your demands would be applicable?

    Thanks

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  65. Re: 21:36 -

    Talk about hypocritical, 'Anonymous'. I'm hiding behind no label. If you really want to know, I'm the same Peter that commented at 17:15, 17:46, 18:10, 19:50, and 20:41 on this thread and at 11:02, 11:39 and 12:29 on the previous. But enough banalities, how about you actually try to respond to all the points I've made rather than crying about my identity?

    Re: Joe @ 21:41 -

    Back to the old 'we're not disrupting anyone' line, eh? As I've asked before, if that is the case, then why are you occupying lecture theatres instead of, for instance, the concourse? And for you information, I have already contacted Prof. Burnett to convey my full support for the University's legal pursuit of the occupiers.

    Also, I'm interested as regards how far you consider it is legitimate to disregard my apathy. Occupying lecture theatres is one thing, but how far down this road will you go? If your extortionate methods succeed, I repeat again that it would only serve as a precedent for more groups to act even more extremely. Do you really want British universities to shut down due to strike action for months on end as regularly happens in France? Would you consider that to be fair?

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  66. To Joe: - you can have whatever political beliefs you have - however misguided. What you cannot do is force them on other people and try to force the university into agreeing with you.

    So your arguments hold no weight due to your bullying and blackmail tactics

    And all of this is helping no-one - at all, get a grip on reality and realise your studies will soon cease due to your foolish actions

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  67. "Do you really want British universities to shut down due to strike action for months on end as regularly happens in France? Would you consider that to be fair?"
    It is not what is fair for the consumer (and yes, students are now consumers) that matters. It is what is fair for everybody. In France, if the strikers were being treated fairly, they wouldn't be striking -- they have a right to a decent job just as you have the right to a decent education. The only difference is that you're paying for one and they're being paid for the other. Is that such a biggie?

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  68. Those involved in this are The AWL, SWP Anarchist Fedration, and from when we was there, it seemed a lot of outside and former students, not current ones, there are issues regards all learning places, but is not better there taken up by students themselves? other than just outsiders of which there seem to be more than students.

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  69. There are members of the AWL, SWP, Anarchist Federation in the occupation and whilst some are, as you correctly mention, not students at the University of Sheffield, the vast majority, and the vast majority of the occupation as a whole are. I would also like to add that the majority of occupiers are non-affiliated to any organisation.

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  70. 'Oooohhhh, look over there! There's a bandwagon I can jump on!'

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  71. I had much fun reading the shit posted here by people against the occupation. I have seen what war does, and i can assure you...computers and books help more than you can imagine. It may not make any sense to you guys, but that's because you dont understand what it is to not have them...

    Go to war torn countries and see for yourself. I support the occupation, help is help, no matter if its material, psychological or physical contribution.

    Some of you people have no idea what these people are trying to accomplish and are only concerned with your own problems, I hope there's nobody there to catch you when you fall. Ill be there for my brothers and sisters, regardless of if they know me or not.

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  72. 'Oooohhhh, look over there! There's a bandwagon I can jump on!'

    Wow, you must think you're so cool showing your cynicism on a blog you disagree with! Fact is, many of us have been involved in the movement for a while, and for those who haven't, then there is nothing wrong with joining up now.

    If your main disagreement with the occupation movement is that 30 universities have been occupied, then you seriously need to grow a backbone and start standing up for your politics as opposed to not doing something because you want to seem different, ie: "not jumping on the bandwagon".

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  73. "I hope there's nobody there to catch you when you fall. "

    I expect no less than a building to be occupied in my name

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  74. Time to up the ante surely..........


    Dirty protest anyone ?

    I do support your endeavors and i live in hope that at least some of you will carry on with these activities after you leave uni.

    However,when you leave and join the real world i suspect the majority will not.

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  75. As far as I am aware university is a part of 'the real world' as you put it... unless I've spent the last few years being lectured to in cyberspace.

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  76. "I expect no less than a building to be occupied in my name"

    Where does it say that we acted on your behalf?

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  77. I don't expect the Palestinians asked you to occupy the lecture theatre on their behalf either.

    But you did.

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  78. universities are in the real world - you quite clearly are not

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  79. In an attempt to get back on message, Israeli state terrorism is the issue - IDf soldiers have been snapping T-Shirts celebrating their war crimes:

    http://gazasolidarity.blogspot.com/2009/03/world-clamour-grows-to-indict-israel.html

    Spread the support for occupation on campus and ignore the cynics

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  80. 'In France, if the strikers were being treated fairly, they wouldn't be striking -- they have a right to a decent job just as you have the right to a decent education. The only difference is that you're paying for one and they're being paid for the other.'

    If you read what I wrote at 22:04, you will see I was actually talking about French universities, not workers. These are closed down by STUDENTS on strike who block up doors with tables and chairs so nobody can get in. Educate yourself. So my question remains, do you think such strikes are equally legitimate as your occupation? Because from where I'm standing it doesn't seem to be such a great difference.

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  81. http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/01/14/getting-our-heads-round-hamas/

    http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/new/Special_Report_The_Hamas_Propaganda_War.asp

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/08/callhamastoaccount

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  82. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Stopdisruptingoureducation/index.html

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  83. simple facts are:
    1)both israel and palenstine are in the wrong
    2)you have no right to be in buidling!

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  84. can you tell fellow occupiers to stop using the term "comrades"

    It kinda brings the occupation into disrepute, Student communists are a really annoying evolution of hippies, but without all the good music.

    plus palestine is not communist, does not want to be communist, and will never be communist, just concentrate on the illegal occupation bit.

    Everyone hates socialists, it doesn't help the cause.

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  85. i hope there are showers in the hicks building.

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  86. http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=37672&SESSION=899


    heyy this is a list of MPs who have signed a motion supporting the occupations, we should contact some of them and get them write to the VC.

    Natasha V xx

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  87. I also agree with not using the word Comrade, I have been told that does alienate people slightly.

    Natasha

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  88. Tell you what - use of the word 'comrade' doesnt alienate me half as much as the illegal occupation of buildings

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  89. "I had much fun reading the shit posted here by people against the occupation. I have seen what war does, and i can assure you...computers and books help more than you can imagine. It may not make any sense to you guys, but that's because you dont understand what it is to not have them...

    Go to war torn countries and see for yourself. I support the occupation, help is help, no matter if its material, psychological or physical contribution.

    Some of you people have no idea what these people are trying to accomplish and are only concerned with your own problems, I hope there's nobody there to catch you when you fall. Ill be there for my brothers and sisters, regardless of if they know me or not."
    +1

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